Subject:     Sex as a Child and Then as a Father
Story Codes: mf MF Mf incest father daughter
Author:      Bob <address withheld by request>
Posted By:   Kelly <pghpa_girl@yahoo.com>

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                              !!!WARNING!!!!

This file contains sexually explicit material which may include graphic 
depictions of underage, nonconsensual and unprotected sex as well as 
incest, adultery, sodomy and bestiality.  It is distributed on a website 
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Foreword by Kelly
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I've been pretty harsh on people who write about young kids in supposedly 
highly charged sexual situations.  Well, here is someone willing to take 
me to task on my views!

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Hi Kelly, While I don't visit your web page often, I do go there and 
enjoy it.  Thank you.

I read your comments about incest and children.  I also read your pet 
peeves.  I will cover my thoughts on it in a moment, but first, I want to 
tell you about me so that you know something. I'm presently 50 yo and 
married.  I have two wonderful girls, 21 and 9.  While there has been 
incest in my family's past, I know of none occurring presently, including 
my own.  That isn't to say that it hasn't been thought about or 
fantasized about.  It has. I am an engineer.  Back when I was in my early 
30's, I believed that everyone in my business thought like I did, i.e. 
they understood "engineering stuff".  I was in the early part of my 
career and knew no limits as to my abilities.  One day, the realization 
hit me, that while one of my coworkers did not understand the things that 
we worked on to the same level as me, she was BETTER at doing some things 
than I was.  Once that thought hit me, I realized that my "generalities" 
about others was way off.  I then started treating other with differently 
and also realized my own deficiencies.   We, as people, even with our own 
experiences, can never assume that just because you feel, act, and think 
in a particular way, that everyone else does.  You have more or less 
mentioned this in your "musings".  

I bring this back to you because you have committed this act yourself - 
you have assumed that a child, any child, has felt and thought of sex, 
lust, and desires, just the way that you have.  This is a gross error on 
your part.  I know this from personal experience.  I do remember, as you 
sort of rhetorically stated in your peeve section, my childhood and how I 
felt about things, what I thought about, what my feelings and desires 
were, my longings, and my lust.  Sex and sexual pleasure is one of those 
things that has been a major desire and subsequently, impact on actions 
and memory for all of my life.  I don't forget sexual things that I've 
done. My very first sexual experience that I recall only involved me.  I 
remember the doing it and the feelings that it brought on - that was the 
act of rubbing the head of my penis on the inside of my underwear.  It 
was extremely pleasurable, so I continued for self-pleasure to some level 
and frequency for the rest of my life. 

My first experience with someone else was with my older sister (this was 
a one and only time that she and I did anything sexual).  We were at our 
grandparent's home.  My sister told me that she knew how babies were made 
and that it felt good.  If I wanted to, I could put my penis into her 
vagina while she was "sleeping".  So, after a little bit, I did lift up 
her nighty, lowered her panties, lowered mine, and attempted to get my 
penis into her, without any success, mind you.  I spent about 15 minutes 
trying this, and also feeling the softness of her on me.  It was very 
pleasurable, but there was no lust involved. While this is not really 
sexual in one sense, it does indicate the intensity of feelings that a 
child has, even without the hormones that occur later in life.  I 
remember being with my mom and looking at her not only with the love of a 
child for a parent, but also seeing her as a beautiful woman (she was 
probably only 22 at the time).  I remember comparing her to the other 
mom's and KNEW she was prettier than most, but there were some that were 
even prettier.  I remember the feeling when I looked at her and 
them....what now I know as desire to know them more intimately...not 
really lust like after hormones, but just this side of it.  I didn't 
really understand it though. Also, I had been bathing with my sisters, 
and loved looking at their vagina's when I got a chance, and their 
bottoms, too.  I remember "enjoying" seeing them in bathing suits, along 
with the neighbor girls, or anything that showed their shape and skin.  I 
never once thought that girls were "yucky" and had a strong desire to at 
least be around them to some level.  Don't get me wrong, I was all boy.  
I had more cuts and scraps than I care to remember.  I played with the 
other guys or by myself.  But I still LOVED being with girls, too.  They 
were different and I loved looking at them and experiencing that 
difference anyway I could.  I loved the attention that I received from 
them, both the girls and the moms, more so than my guy friends, but it 
was a different feeling altogether. 

My next experience involved one of the neighbor ladies.  I was 5 by now.  
There was no sex, or even any inclination towards sex on her part.  I 
remember looking at her and wanting to see what she looked like without 
her clothes on.  She had larger breasts than my mom, and she was quite 
pretty with a very pleasant voice.  She was the first woman that I really 
wanted to see naked like I had seen my sisters.  I had never seen any 
adult naked, so I knew nothing of pubic hair, but it was pretty obvious 
that woman had breasts and girls didn't.   My next extremely strong 
"sexual" desire occurred in first grade.  I was in a Catholic school and 
my teacher was a Nun.  All you could see of her was her face and hands, 
that was it.  I was truly in-love with her.  I know what that feels like.  
I have always looked a person's face first, actually eyes, and then moved 
outward.  She had this beautiful face and eyes and this wonderful loving 
disposition.  I would watch her intently.  I desired to be with her and 
know her better.  I did want to know what she looked like under her 
Habit.  She would have made a wonderful mom, I'm sure of it, and a friend 
for a partner.  Such a waste.  Mother Superior, on the other hand, she 
was in the correct calling. 

My next experience came after my parents split up.  My older sister 
showed me some of dad's old Playboy's that were still hidden between the 
mattress of my mom's bed.  My sister was obviously a snoop.  I was so 
DRAWN to the images of the naked or nearly naked females, it consumed my 
thoughts from that point forward to some level every day.  I was 7.  To 
this day, I am a true lover of the female form.  It is art to me.  There 
is good art, okay art, and bad art, but it is art.  Interestingly enough, 
it wasn't the size of the women's breasts in the mags that I loved, but 
the shape!  Back then, they were all natural.  Most were what would be 
called "pleasantly plump", i.e. nice soft lines on their bodies, but 
shapely. I took all of the mags and hid them in my room.  I would look at 
them and get feelings all over my body (lustful, but not the strength of 
later years after puberty... hormones don't make the desires, they only 
increase them.  This is one of your mistakes in your opinion).  I would 
play with myself the whole time I looked at the pictures... I WANTED to 
touch the naked women and feel them touching me!  This was actually the 
first time that I was truly aware of wanting to BE TOUCHED by another.  
Although my mom's hands felt nice when she washed me when I was younger, 
it was not sexual.  

After that, it became sexual for me, but she never knew. The mags were a 
huge change in how I now looked at girls and women.  I now had a good 
idea of want a woman looked like under her clothes (still didn't know 
about pubic hair as Playboy didn't show it then.  I actually don't like a 
lot of hair, anyway) and started to want to see all of the girls and 
mom's naked.  Every chance I got to look at those mags, I took.  I was in 
"heaven" until at around 8 and half, my mom found them and took them from 
me.  Oh well.  It was very nice while it lasted.  I still remember some 
of the pictures to this day. From that point onward, I would make some 
efforts every so often to seen the "hidden" places in girls and women.  I 
did get to see my mom naked one time as she ran from the hall bathroom to 
her room and loving the way she looked.  I had then started to fantasize 
in a very limited fashion (only knew about masturbation and what my 
sister had said) about being with her.  I was 8 at the time.  Puberty was 
about 5 years away. I had shown my penis to the neighbor girl in a "you 
show me yours I'll show you mine" kind of thing.  I fell in-love again 
with my fourth grade teacher, who just happened to look a lot like my 
mom.  I wanted to be touched!  I wanted TO touch!  

For all intents and purposes, I was fully sexual in my desires by 9 years 
old, just didn't have the extra "kick" from hormones yet. I had moved to 
another state at 10.  Again, I fell in-love, but this time the sexual 
desire was extremely high.  It was my uncle's girlfriend.  She was 19 or 
20, I guess, extremely beautiful.  She was also the first adult female 
that I felt reciprocal attraction by.  I doubt very much that it was 
sexual on her part, but it was genuinely a personality attraction that we 
both experience even to this day.  (Later in life when we were both 
single adults, she asked my mom, shortly after I had seen her again after 
about 10 years of not seeing her, if I liked older women.  The spark was 
still very much there on both sides.  Unfortunately, I have only briefly 
seen her once since then).  I remember WANTING to be close to her, and 
when we were, it was amazing.  If she had ever offered to touch my 10 
year old body sexually, I would have let her.  I didn't know how to make 
love yet, but I would have loved to learn with her. 

My buddies and I found a lot of explicit pictures near our homes one day.  
We took them to one of their homes and hid them.  We would pull them out 
and have jerk off sessions, none of us at puberty yet, so they were dry 
orgasms.  We did involve some girls on several occasions by the time I 
was 11, one of which was my next youngest sister.  Lots of touchy feely 
although she and I didn't touch that often during those sessions.  Mostly 
it was the other girls. At early 13, I hit puberty.  By the summer, my 
two youngest sisters and I were visiting my dad.  I took my youngest 
sister to his off-site garage and we got naked.  I had learned a fair 
amount about sex by now and knew about oral as well.  I had her suck me 
and I licked her.  She was 8.  She really enjoyed it as did I.  It was 
both of ours first oral experience.  Nobody was forced.  It was 
consensual.  She could get all of my head and part of the shaft into her 
mouth, but I didn't orgasm.  I did, however, lick her to the point of 
what I now know as an orgasm for her.  I loved the smooth softness of her 
and the lack of hair (I knew about pubic hair by now from the pictures we 
found and my own body).  I did try to insert my penis into her vagina, 
but alas, I didn't know about lube and she wasn't wet anymore.  
Afterwards, I masturbated with her watching so that she could see me 
orgasm....besides, I needed to after all of that.  She found it so 
exciting that when we went back to my dad's place, she had me show my 
other sister, which I gladly did.  Oh to be young like that again! 

That was the last time that I ever did anything with my sisters.  You 
might think that from all of this that I shortly lost my "virginity," but 
I did not.  I didn't actually insert my penis into a woman's vagina until 
I was 21.   My point in all of this is that your assumption that children 
are not sexual, nor do they have lustful feelings is incorrect.  I do 
remember very well.  I can still recall the actual sensations that I 
felt, my thoughts, my desires, and what held my interest.  I know of 
another child that, of their own accord, had a thing for rubbing up 
against their daddy's penis, wanting to be there when he changed.  They 
were never shown, nor even talked to about sexual things, and yet this 
girl not only liked to rub up against him, but would hold his now hard 
penis up against her privates and push back.  She was 1 and a half when 
she started and went until she was 5.  There was never any penetration.  
It was just something that she did.   

So, just because you never had any of those desires yourself (that you 
were aware of, they probably were not that important) until puberty hit, 
it doesn't mean that every other child was like you, because we aren't 
and weren't. I hope that this gives you some insight about how we are 
truly each different.  While you have a wonderful relationship with your 
parents, and it started later in life, I on the other hand, had desires 
all of my life, but never really acted on them.  And it is for the very 
same reason you feel that children are not sexual....you have an innate 
respect for them and others.

I guess the main reason that I didn't tell you about us so much was that 
I wanted to focus on the fact that some children really ARE sexual, have 
some level of lust, and not only don't mind being sexual with someone, 
but actually crave it.  But, as with all, not all children are like that, 
and taking something that isn't given is abuse, regardless of age. To 
answer your questions, yes, I did and do think about them sexually.  My 
oldest daughter, while she did do some masturbation as an infant and 
toddler, she stopped shortly afterwards.  She did catch me looking at a 
porn movie once, but that was pretty much it.  As she got older, I did 
talk with her about sex to some extent, and told her she could come to me 
if she had questions.  She never really did, though.  She wasn't 
particularly sexual until puberty.  She also isn't really the snuggly 
type, except with her boyfriend.  I do know that after puberty, she 
started to become sexually active and had intercourse around 16.  She has 
been active ever since. I have been married 3 times, once to a friend, 
once to woman who turned out to be very misleading and an alcoholic, and 
finally, to my present wife that I had actually asked to marry me back 
when I was 17.  

My two girls are from different mothers. When I was married to my second 
wife, we had my youngest daughter.  My ex was very sexual and would give 
me a BJ pretty much anywhere, including watching TV with my oldest 
sitting in front of us on the floor watching TV.  Never got caught.   I 
took to having my youngest sleep in bed with me because her mom was 
passed out downstairs most nights from drinking.  The mom would come up 
most mornings and wake me with a BJ... very nice way to wake up, I might 
add.  We would have sex sometimes with me holding the baby in my arms or 
her nursing.  The baby started to sit up around 5 months old and if she 
was awake, she would watch her mom going down on me.  At 6 months old, 
with my daughter sitting by my hip, she watched her mom sucking me.  The 
mom stopped and went into the other room.  I was still hard and sticking 
up.  My little girl just bent over and took me into her mouth and sucked.  
She did this for about 10 seconds and stopped.  I was pretty shocked, 
amazed, and well, loved it.  I never waved myself in her face or did 
anything to "get her to do it".  I wasn't even looking at her when she 
first took me in. For the next month, if she saw her mom doing this, and 
if I was still hard and standing up, my daughter would wait until my ex 
would leave the room and then suck me for a little bit.  I never came in 
her mouth nor did I ever set it up, but I also didn't stop her.  She 
stopped doing it after that. I know that she also masturbates nearly 
every night since she was little.  

My girls share a room and my oldest has told me that she does.  My 
youngest is very sexual, but aside from self-pleasure, doesn't do 
anything else.  This is partly due to my present wife, which is fine with 
me. So, yes, I do look at my little girl and have fantasies.  I look at 
her girlfriends as well, but the only person I touch sexually is my wife.  
By the way, my wife does know of my desires.  I cannot keep secrets from 
her.  We don't fantasize together about "other stuff", just enjoy each 
other to the fullest.  Still, it would be extremely difficult for me to 
say no if either my daughter or her friends decided to try and seduce me. 

As an adult, my first real strong sexual fantasies about being with not 
only a child, but incest were with my half-sister.  She was 10 at the 
time and there was just something about her.  I later found out, after 
talking with her as adults, that she had been sexual with a girlfriend 
and her sister since she was 3 until 10.  What stopped her was that my 
half-brother said something about lesbianism being just gross.  That hurt 
her and made her feel guilty, so she stopped.  I never did anything with 
her, but I would fantasize about her and my step mom, who is only 13 
years older than me, all doing things together.  It just grew from there.  
The fantasies, that is. On the subject of the dad and daughter I had 
mentioned in the previous email, we had become good chat buddies, when I 
was doing that.  He had told me about his daughter and offered to show me 
on a webcam what she was like.  He set it up in his room at a prearranged 
time.  I could hear her speak, she was just 2 at the time, and ask him if 
he was going to change.  He answered yes.  He never wears underwear, so 
when he dropped his pants, he sat on the bed.  She was in between his 
legs even before he could get his foot out of the pant leg and rubbing 
her face all over his penis and balls.  He never did figure out why she 
started to do this, it just happened.  

I was amazed, and turned on, of course.  So was he.  She did this until 
he finally told her that he needed to get dressed.  Sometimes she would 
rub her mouth over it, but she never took him in, nor did he ask her to. 
On a later web cam, when they were getting into bed, she of course, 
rubbed her face on him and got him hard.  He was on his back naked and 
she only had on her favorite soft shirt.  I watched as she straddled his 
hips, held his penis to her privates with her back towards him an lowered 
herself down, putting a lot of weight on his penis.  She would wiggle and 
squirm, readjust, push, whatever.  I guess she got a lot of pleasure from 
the pressure. He let me be a part of it through the web cam until I had 
stopped chatting just prior to getting married for the last time.  I saw 
them in the doggy position with her pushing back so hard with her little 
hands holding onto the sheets for purchase to push back that I thought, 
"If he only had a little lube, he would enter her."  I saw squat over him 
as he moved his cock back and forth, then she would squat down and put 
pressure on it.  When she was 3, he let me watch as he licked her to 
orgasm, or at least it appeared that way.  Her stomach rippled and her 
toes were curling, which were on his shoulders. He told me that he did 
use lube one time where he was sitting on his sofa and she had her back 
to him.  He was rubbing up and down between her buns and she pushed back.  
His cock entered her anally.  He was surprised, but pleased.  He said it 
felt incredible.  He carefully pumped into her just the head and a small 
amount of shaft for about 10 seconds.  He was right on the verge of 
cumming, but she pulled away.  

They did that one more time, but again, she pulled away.   He said that 
about a few months after that, she really didn't like the feeling of the 
lube and wouldn't do anything if there were lube, so they went back to 
doing things dry.  He loved his daughter and would never do anything to 
hurt her, either physically or emotionally.  We both talked about the 
emotional side of what they were doing, and because it was something that 
she strongly desired to do intimately with her dad, it would have been 
more hurtful to her to stop, than to keep it status quo.  If she stopped 
that would be her choice. During all of that time, up until she was 6, he 
never did enter her vaginally nor repeat the anal experience.  I stopped 
chatting at that time because I was getting married and didn't want the 
chatting to interfere. I suspect that they probably did go the rest of 
the way, or maybe it is just my fantasy.  I haven't heard from him since. 
So, there you have it.  I'm not as exciting as some of the families that 
you correspond with on a regular basis, but I have had my moments. 

:) 
Bob