Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:51:55 -0600
From: Rodwl <rodwl@comcast.net>
Subject: Good Counsul?-21

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It was a beautiful December morning as Glenn arose from his
slumber.  Rainbow was there as usual, waiting patiently at
his bedside.  Glenn thought about the evening before and how
much he had enjoyed the thrill of working out with all the
men.  Each encouragement Bill had given him, the sting as it
nipped at his body and the warmth that radiated from it as
he strained with each and every muscle to push just a little
harder, to finish the exercise he was working on.  The time
in the shower afterward with Don and Bobby had been
exquisite.  As each of them used their hands and their lips
to caress each other, occasionally biting playfully, nipping
at tender areas, and then as their manhood strained under
the eroticism of the moment each of them had moved to from a
daisy chain and lovingly engulfed each others manhood. Each
man endeavored to consume the other and as their hands
massaged their intended's ass and worked one, then two or
more fingers into position to assault the prostate all three
exploded into each other while the sensations of orgasm
overtook their bodies.  Bountiful in volume, each savored
the precious fluid offered, and then held part of it to
share between them as they each shared deep and sensuous
kisses with each other.  As Glenn closed his eyes drifting
in the pleasure of the moment his only longing was that Mars
could have been either of the men he felt so close to at
that moment.  His thoughts continued as he went through his
morning schedule of empting his bladder, brushing his teeth,
showering and shaving, at each step he remembered his
thoughts as he had drift off to sleep last night and how he
longed for Mars to share his love.  As he dressed he found
some items of clothing that Mars had given him from his own
wardrobe that blissful day when he had taken him in.  A pair
of briefs slightly worn but soft to caress him as he wished
Mars would, a shirt to wrap around his chest the way he
wished Mars would wrap his arms around him.  He had avoided
allowing the shirt to go through the laundry the last time
as Mars had worn it and the feint odor of Mars was still
detectable in the soft fabric as it fell loosely over his
slightly smaller frame and teased each of his very erect
nipples.  An old and comfortable pair of jeans and some
sneakers rounded out his comfortable attire as he left the
room closely followed by Rainbow on his way to the kitchen
for breakfast.

"Good morning Son! Hungry?" said Don as he entered the room
and saw Glenn sitting at the table with a bowl of cereal in
front of him as well as a full complement of breakfast eggs,
sausage, hash browns and toast along with juice and a glass
of milk .

"Good morning Dad!" replied Glenn as he looked up and
innocently tossed a smidgeon of toast to Rainbow as his
side.

"Hey, did you save any breakfast for me?" asked Bobby as he
entered the room right behind his Dad.

"Plenty in the serving dishes, you know where they are,
unless you're too exhausted from last night to remember!"
answered Glenn as he laughed and continued to stuff down his
breakfast.

In a matter of minutes the room was full and noisy as each
of the men old and young entered and found their way to the
food and the table.  Oddly enough even when Evan entered
Rainbow stayed at Glenn's side.  It's seems that Rainbow had
adopted Glenn as the youngest in the house and decided that
his place was with him.

The usual banter of conversation went back and forth each
man heartily enjoying the camaraderie of each other
presence.  As breakfast was just about finished the door
opened and in walked Mars with Ted close at hand.

"I thought your plane was to land this afternoon? I was
going to meet you at the airport," said Glenn as he ran to
Mars and threw his arms around him.

"It was but I was able to shift to an earlier flight and I
got in touch with Ted so he could pick me up and I could try
to surprise you."

"Well I'm glad you are finally here I want to catch you up
on all that's happened."

A hush went around the room as all realized that no one had
let Mars know what was going on with the kidnapping and the
events since as they felt that it would be unfair to
jeopardize his last few days at school and his finals.

"So what happened?  Did you get into an accident with your
new car or something?" asked Mars.

"No way man, I wouldn't let that happen! My real Dad tried
to off me and have me kidnapped! Grampa Craig and Grampa
Greg, along with everyone else made quick work of them
though and you'd never guess who became inductees!"

Mars went white as he stood there.  Ted stepped right behind
them to lend support if needed.  All of the men held their
breath as Mars digested what he had heard.  Slowly the look
of shock left his face and his coloring began to return.

"Don't pass out on me man, I'm all right, everybody saw to
that, it was kinda  scary for a while but you know the guys
around here, they wouldn't let anything happen and if it
does they see to it that it gets taken care of.  Hell, you
should have seen things when they had what looked like a
whole army raid the place and save me!"

Mars had put his arms around Glenn when he had run to him.
With the news as it unfolded so quickly, he had never moved
his arms, as the realization came to him that he could have
lost Glenn forever and hadn't, but he was here with him, he
tightening his grip around him and teared as he buried his
head into Glenn's shoulder.  He loved Glenn and couldn't
fathom the thought that someone, somehow, could take him
away.  He despised the fact that he had not been there, but
rejoiced that he would not need to leave again.  In his
heart he vowed he would never leave Glenn unprotected again.
He knew the men in this house would never allow harm to come
to any of them, but Glenn was his responsibility to protect
and he would never be negligent in that responsibility
again.

"Hey, are you hungry?  I think these vultures have left
something, can I make you a plate?" asked Glenn as he let go
of Mars and Mars finally let his arms fall back to his
sides.

"Sure what ever is there, I didn't really eat much on the
plane, you know how I'm not really crazy about flying,"
answered Mars.

"Grab a seat, I'll grab you something!" said Jason as he
turned towards the serving area and picked up a plate and
began to fill it.

"Ted, go ahead, I don't think you had a chance to eat before
you left for the airport did you?" asked Greg as he
continued to savor his cup of coffee.

"No Sir, thank you Sir," replied Ted as he helped himself to
the food.

"I think today should be a very busy one.  Mars we decided
to wait until your return to put up the tree and thought you
might want to help pick one out this year," said Craig.

"Thank you sir, but I don't know why I should pick one out
or why you should have waited for me?" stated Mars.

"Son you are just as much a part of this family as anyone
else and when we do things we do them as a family.  Until
you returned the entire family wasn't here, so we waited
until they were.  Besides, Glenn here claims that you have a
special eye for Christmas trees and Jed and Jason seem to
remember that once upon a time you were awfully excited over
going with them to a tree farm and finding one for Jed to
cut down," said Craig.

"Jed, Jason, you remember that, how long ago did we go out
to the tree farm?" asked Mars.

"I think you were about eleven years old then, but I'll
never forget the look on your face when you found that tree,
or the look on your Mother's face, when we hauled it in and
put it up.  That was the year your father had messed up his
ankle and didn't want to go look for a tree so your Mother
and Aunt decided that we three men should do it for both
households.  Even your father seemed awfully proud of you
that year," said Jed as he seemed to be reminiscing about
good times gone past.

"That was one of those years when Dad still felt he could be
proud of me, I just wish he still could," said Mars as his
eyes began to mist.

"Just remember Son, the problem today is your Dad's problem
not yours, any man should be proud to have a son like you,
no matter what!" said Jed.

"Thanks, I just wish that was the way it was, but I guess it
never will be," replied Mars sadly.

"Hey, put on a happier face gang we've got some serious tree
hunting and decorating to do today and I don't want to see
any sour mugs!" stated Greg with a laugh. "Mars and Glenn I
want to talk to you later after we get back from the tree
farm, OK?"

"Sure Grampa Craig, no problem," echoed both of the boys at
the same time as they dug in to finish breakfast.

In the facility another day had started for the latest
inductees.  Matthew Daniels was recovering from his session
with the whip master and was healing nicely.  Little did he
know that before the day was out, he too would be ornamented
as was Terrence.  The morning ritual in the cell was a rude
awakening for both of the men.  They had not been able to
sleep very much through the night due to the painful
positions in which their bodies had been restrained.  In
observation of other men in cages they had learned to get
water from the strange phallic shaped water faucets.  The
low lights had switched to high and a guard had entered
turning on a hose of water with a forceful spray attachment.
Their bladder had forced them to relieve themselves during
the night and it was with shock that they realized that they
were expected to defecate right there in their cages letting
it drop through the open mesh in the bottom to the trough
below.  The guard started at their head and slowly worked
his way down over their body with the sharp spray. The spray
felt like a thousand needles as it worked its way over their
body. The guard knew his job and seemed to linger on
sensitive areas; each of the nipples received a little extra
attention as did the genital area in general.  As the spray
moved around behind, the forced position made the rectum an
easy target, and the force of the water seemed to invade the
sphincter and actually go up inside of them.  The last
arches of the water washed away any matter at the bottom of
the cage and rinsed the last vestiges of their bladder or
excrement.  As one cage was completed the guard moved on to
the next until all had been done.  The air in the room was
somewhat warm, so they were left to air dry.  Matthew
watched as the guard gave Terrence his morning shower, just
as Terrence had observed Matthew receiving his.  The only
difference was that where the guard had lingered on certain
areas of Matthew, he seemed to linger even longer playing
with each of the rings that had been pierced into Terrence's
body.  The guard seemed skilled in the ability to flip the
rings back and forth with the spray and an odd look came
across Terrence's face as the ministrations were dealt him.

After showers had been completed each man was removed from
his cage by a different guard and taken from the room.
Where each man went was unknown to the others.  Matthew was
taken to the doctor's exam room.  Over the period of the
next two hours he was examined, salve applied and then after
a leather strop had thoroughly warmed his ass he experienced
the pain as his nipples were pierced and rings were
inserted.  He had been circumcised at birth so only a PA
need be inserted into his penis.  The fact that no
anesthesia was employed made the ordeal one that he would
not soon forget.  A series of number had been tattooed onto
his body and each ring was dressed with additional salve
before he was sent yet to another room.

As he entered this room he looked in horror as it appeared
to be a type of lecture hall.  In the lower middle front
area was a desk similar to one seen in a college science
lecture hall with a dry marker board, screen affair on the
wall.  Each seating tier had a clearly distinguishable seat
with a chain attached on the wall below and in the center.
As each inductee was brought into the room they were seated
at one of the seats and then the short chain was brought up
and fastened to the ring shaped PA through the man's penis.
Very little movement was allowed by this manner of
restraint.  Several of the guards stood around the perimeter
of the room as another man entered and took his position at
the front of the room.

The man began to lecture explaining to each and every one of
them exactly what was being expected of them and what the
consequences could be if they chose not to follow as
dictated.  After about an hour of lecture the door opened
and the doctor and two assistants entered the room.  The
lecturer went on to explain that each of the men would be
fitted with a special collar.  Within these collars was
identification, the capability of monitoring their
whereabouts, a sensor that would detect their crossing into
a restricted area or trying to escape, and most importantly
a shocking device that had the capability of delivering a
variable strength of shock, from slightly noticeable to
deadly.  It was further explained that with these collars
the staff would be able to discipline them or simply call
them at any time from anywhere.  The collar could be used to
encourage and particular activity, let them know it was time
for some activity, time to report somewhere for a scheduled
appointment, or discipline them for a transgression.

The doctor and his assistants moved from man to man
verifying his SIN number tattoo with a preprinted listing
and then documenting the serial number of the collar before
he fastened it around each individual's neck.  The collars
had been pre-selected according to measurement that had been
taken during their physical examination.

Once all the collars had been placed accordingly the
instructor began to explain the different levels of shock
and with a small hand held unit began to demonstrate the
collar's effectiveness.  Each man reacted in his own way as
he first experienced the collar's effects.  However as the
level was raised to an intentionally uncomfortable level to
properly demonstrate its effectiveness, screams of agony
were heard from each of the inductees.  By the end of the
demonstration there was a definite appreciation of the
collars abilities.

The lecture continued with the myriad of information needed
for proper conduct during and after training.  As normal, a
few of the inductees became rather board and when they began
to nod off were reawakened by their new collars,
fortunately, at a very low setting.  If the first reminder
was not effective, when they began to nod off again the
reminder was a little stronger. The lesson was quickly
learned and attention was kept at a very high level.

Growling could be heard from around the room as none of the
men in this group had been fed this morning.  Upon leaving
the lecture hall they each experienced their first
acquaintance with the special diet they would consume until
reaching their ideal and expected physical levels.  Fat
percentage, muscle mass and any other important indicators
were determined for each inductee based on their height,
frame size and medical status.  Hypertensive inductees would
be required to attain certain body balances and would be on
special diets, diabetics would likewise be monitored and
their body trimmed or built as the doctor prescribed. Those
without medical conditions would be brought to the peak of
health for their age.  In all, each inductee would actually
receive the best medical care and monitoring, resulting in
the peak physical condition they could possibly be in.
Though they had become slaves, and their lives would be a
constant reminder of their transgressions, they would be
healthy and live longer than they probably would under any
other circumstances.

Terrence and Matthew saw each other throughout the
orientation.  Terrence noticed that Matthew had also been
ringed, but they were not allowed to have any discussion
either with each other or with any other inductee.  It had
been explained during the lecture that no speaking was
allowed between them.  They could only speak to a guard or
other non-inductee if asked a direct question.  Other wise
they must remain silence or suffer the consequences of their
collars.  A few of the inductees had tried to converse at
one point and quickly discovered the pain of their
transgression.  Their reaction served well as a teaching
example for everyone else and all no other attempt to
converse occurred.

The trip to the tree farm ended up being a real enjoyment
for all the men.  Jed, Jason and Mars led the way with Glenn
close at hand.  Greg had a list of where they wanted to put
trees so they actually had seven trees to pick out.  It was
decided that the main tree would be the one in the Den and
should be at least twelve feet tall since there was a
fourteen foot ceiling in that room.  Another larger tree
would be in the entry foyer but it would be mostly for show,
not the tree that everyone one would gather around Christmas
morning.  Since the entrance foyer was several stories high
it was decided that a twenty foot plus tree would fit nicely
there.  Other than the tree in the Den the guys had drawn
slips from a hat and accepted a challenge as to how could
decorate the best tree.  Normally a decorator was hired to
do the job but this year the decorator would only do the
trees at the office downtown and then would come to the
mansion Christmas Eve and judge the contest between the men.
Trophies would  be bought and every group of men would get
one but there was really no other difference between the
prizes, other than the supposed ranking.  In Craig and
Greg's mind each of the men where already winners in every
way possible.  It would just be fun to see what ideas the
groups would come up with.  It had been pre-arranged that
one of the younger would get paired with at least one older
man on each group. None of the younger guys would be
together on one tree.  It was laughed at that when the
groups were established that they needed seven separate
trees and Evan, Jimmy, Bobby, Jason, Mars and Glenn just
happened to be the six younger guys.  Don was matched with
Glenn much too their delight, James was matched with Bobby,
Phil was matched with Jason, Jed was matched with Jimmy Ted
with Evan and Coach was matched with Mars. Craig, Greg  and
George quickly begged off and said they would help with the
tree in the Den along with everyone else. It was decided
that after dinner each of the younger men would confer with
their partner and begin a design for the tree.  All of the
ornaments had been brought out by the staff and put on
display in one of the spare rooms. Any thing else needed
would be available the next day with a special shopping
trip.  Also that evening the six would draw for who was to
do each tree.  Bobby drew the entrance tree and immediately
started to pour forth with ideas to James.  James just sat
and laughed as he listened; no wonder Bobby had been the one
to decorate the house the guys lived in while at school.
With the ideas Bobby was listing there was no way they
wouldn't take first prize.

Mars and Glenn met with Craig in his office just before
dinner.

"Have a seat guys I want to discuss something with you,"
said Craig as they entered the room.

"Sure Grampa what did you want to talk about?" asked Glenn
as Mars took a seat and looked towards Craig with
anticipation.

"Mars I am sorry we didn't keep you up to date on what was
happening to Glenn but as we said we felt it might be more
than you could handle while you were finishing up at school
for the semester and getting ready to transfer," said Craig.

"I understand now, it just really threw me for a loop this
morning when I found out.  I trust everyone here and know
that whatever is done is done for the good of all.  It was
just hard to hear that the possibility had arisen where I
could have lost Glenn forever, I don't know how I could bear
that to happen," answered Mars slowly and painfully.

"I know how you feel.  We feel the same way to a certain
extent about each and everyone of you guys, but there is
something else I want to discuss with both of you as I
believe you are both in similar situations in one way."

"How so?" asked Glenn.

"I noticed your comment this morning Mars concerning your
father and how you felt bad that, in your mind, he is no
longer proud of you.  I think from what I have read between
the lines, Glenn you have a very similar feeling concerning
your real father Terrence.  At this point you both feel like
less of a person because your fathers are holding some type
of power over you.  In the normal procedure of growing up a
time comes when a father is challenged by his son and when
the time is right the son wins out.  This establishes his
place in the world and proves to himself that he is a man
capable of survival on his own.  His father's attitudes and
feelings though desired to be positive, are no longer of the
consequence they were when he was a boy.  Each of you are
still restrained by the image in your mind of your fathers.
It is time that you achieve your own mastery over them and
break the ill feelings binding you.  For this reason I think
it would be to your advantage to have a session with your
fathers.  During this session you will each take charge and
show them how you have risen above them and after all that
they have done, prove that you are the better man.  I know
this will add torment to them, torment which they deserve,
but at the same time it help each of you."

"Are you suggesting a conversation or what with the term
session?" asked Mars.

"I realize that Glenn is only sixteen and you are nineteen
Mars but considering what your fathers have done and their
current state of mind, I'm not suggesting conversation.  I
am suggesting that you each take them sexually, as masters,
show you dominance and strength over them and their
subservience to you.  They will come away with a different
opinion of you and you will each come away with a different
opinion of them."

"But I really wish I could love my father I don't know how I
could do that to him," said Mars.

"In your case Mars you can show him your love, you might be
surprised what may happen, instead of turmoil for him there
may be a sign of acceptance and the pain he will feel will
be caused by the fact that he has destroyed the chance of
the two of you to continue as both would have preferred."

"I certainly don't feel that way about my Dad,  at one time
I might have but after he  threw me out of the house and
then just lately tried to kill me I wish I could hurt him
just half as bad as he hurt me," said Glenn as his rage
seemed to rise within him.

"Normally I would not feed into someone's feelings like that
Glenn but you need to gain mastery over your father and for
that matter over Matthew as well considering all that
happened and the relationship you had with both men as you
were growing up."

"When is this going to happen?" asked Mars.

"If you both are agreeable I will arrange it for tomorrow
afternoon.  I know you both have some things to discuss
tonight and their will be the shopping in the morning.
Before noon you can each come to me and if you have some
desire as to what you wish to do I will be sure things are
prepared so that by the afternoon all three men will be
ready for you."

"Your right Mars and I do need to have a long conversation
tonight after everything else is done.  But, may I ask you
one other thing?" said Glenn.

"Certainly, you know you can ask anything at any time or me
or any of the other men in the household."

"I know what was said about me considering my age and the
limit as to just how physical I can be with others.  Mars
has told me over and over that considering the difference in
our ages he would not have relations with me until I am
older.  I have had conversations with the other guys and
found that they had much more in the way of sexual activity
than I have been allowed when they were younger than I.  I
really felt that Mars and I were going to never see each
other again.  May I have your permission to be with Mars in
a more intimate way?"

"That's a very difficult question.  You know what the legal
answer is to that, but more importantly it is not within my
authority to dictate what Mars may or may not do.  If I give
you permission then I would be forcing Mars to do something
that he may not wish to do.  If I deny you permission then
perhaps I am overriding something Mars may wish to do.  I
would rather turn the situation over to Mars and let him
decide how he wishes to handle your request.  I have faith
in him and trust that neither of you will do anything that
would bring harm to the other.  Whatever is the decision of
Mars I will accept and support.  Mars, does this seem
agreeable to you?"

"Thank you Gramps, I think what may or may not happen is
something we need to discuss and I appreciate that you are
willing to leave it to us and not dictate a course of action
or inaction."

"I think it's time for dinner so why don't you both get
cleaned up an I'll see you in the dining room shortly."

"You bet, thanks Grampa!" they echoed as they took off for
the door and their room.

"Don't run in the house children!" yelled Craig as they flew
out the door, chuckling to himself.

"Sure Gramps!" they said as they slowed to only two steps at
a time up the stair case.

"I love you with all my heart," said Glenn as he closed the
door behind them.

"I love you too, you don't know how much I have missed you
this last few weeks, but to find that I could have lost you
forever is too much to handle.  Give me a kiss!"

"Oh man I have missed this!" purred Glenn as he met lips
with Mars and began a battle of the tongues.

"Get a room!" laughed Mars as they separated.

"I've got one! Now that I have you that's all I need!"
exclaimed Glenn.

"I know, but you better save it for later.  Dinner is about
ready and we had better make a proper appearance or else."

"Or else what?" inquired Glenn with that forlorn puppy dog
look.

"Or the rest of the gang will come in and hijack our buts to
the table and you know it!" said Mars.

"Aw,  OK party pooper lets get ready and go to dinner."

Dinner was enjoyable not only for the meal presented but the
warmth of conversation around the table.  Stories of the
days events in choosing the trees and getting them all back
to the mansion brought laughs to all.  How Jason had slipped
and slid under one of the trees while trying to help bring
it down to the truck caused them all to laugh as they each
recounted the mud that covered him from head to toe.  With
all the ribbing he had gotten at the time he soon had
starting throwing mud at the rest of them and soon the whole
group of young guys had been covered with mud.  Bill and Don
as well as Jed had caught just enough that the group of nine
had been delegated to the back of the truck to return to the
mansion.  After unloading the trees and turning their
placement over to some of the help the guys managed to grab
Coach and Ted and soon had them covered with mud as well.
Not being allowed in the mansion by the patriarch of the
kitchen they had opted to utilize the community showers of
the facility and soon were playing grabass with each other.
It took a long shower for all the mud to washed away and by
the time the water had been turned off every one had come at
least once or more due to the ministrations of another.
Lunch was only a second but welcomed supply of protein and
all spent the day in great spirits.

Once dinner had been completed the pairs broke off and
serious discussion began as to their individual plans for
their tree.  The ornament were reviewed and marked if
desired to be used by someone and then the planning began.

As to be expected Mars loved to pick out trees and had done
a wonderful job with all of them but when he started to
consider a design his conference with Coach developed a
sports theme.  They didn't think anyone else would be that
outlandish and thought it could be a lot of fun considering
it was a houseful of men who did seems to enjoy a number of
sports.  Due to the company who would view the trees and the
mansion over the holiday they felt they should keep it
proper and presentable so the sports utilized were left to
the normal ones of baseball, football and basketball.  They
decided it would be inappropriate to include the indoor
sports they were all so fond of.

Evan and Ted decided that a sports car theme would be neat
and proceeded to decide how many match box cars would be
needed to cover the tree.  They thought it would be neat to
use them in such a way that after Christmas day each of the
cars could be donated to a local day care facility for the
children there.  Other items that would fit with the cars
would come into play as well including a train set running
the base with a full village.  The combination should be
deeply appreciated by a group of kids who would eventually
receive them.  If they chose the right center, one that
would be closed during the actual holiday then everything
could be in place by the time they came back. It could be
like a second Christmas for the kids.  Unfortunately they
realized that for some it might be their first one this
year.

Jimmy and Jed decided that in honor of Jimmy's mother and
grandmother and Jed's wife and sister in law they would
decorate their tree in angels.  The entire tree would be
covered with angels of every color creed and description.
There would be angels with instrument and angels with
songbooks, angels in prayer and angels just seeming to be
looking over the ones in their care.

Jason and Phil not knowing of Evan and Ted's plans decided
to do their tree in honor of the police and fire
departments.  With the history of policeman in his family
Jason felt a certain fondness for those who had served so
bravely.  Phil agreed and suggested they include the Fire
department as well.  Considering the form of the
decorations, being toys, it was not a surprise that they
came up with the same idea of donating the items the day
after Christmas to a facility that could utilize them for
children.

Glenn and Don decided on a musical theme and started their
exhaustive search for anything that could be associated with
music.  They decided that a cd player would be needed to
enhance the mood and it could be donated to a facility
afterwards as well.  It would be a surprise to all that
several of the groups had decided that the things they would
use could be donated for someone else's use for the balance
of their time.

Bobby and James decided on displaying a country Christmas.
Ideas poured forth and a few of the ornaments on display
found a way into their design but Bobby kept an open mind
and decided that he would see what he could find during
their shopping trip.

As the fire in the hearth grew dimmer one by one the guys
decided it was time to retire for the evening.  Tomorrow
would be a busy day.  Glenn and Mars were the first to leave
as each had tired of discussing tree decoration with their
partner and longingly had looked for each other with a spark
in their eye and a look of desire in their faces.

Once the door to their room was closed Mars walked up behind
Glenn and putting his arms around him pulled him tight up
against his chest. "I never want to leave you again," he
said as he placed kisses all over Glenn's neck.

Glenn turned and before placing his lips squarely on Mar's
lips said, "And I never want you too!"

 To be continued

Written by Rod

Copyright 2005 by Rod

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