Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 21:35:05 -0500 From: naked guy <ihateclothes@gmail.com> Subject: Brown Daddy part 2 (fictional story) Things changed quickly after Eric and I started dating on a regular basis. He and his sons were over a lot and most of the time and would hang out there whenever we'd go out. We got to know each other even better while going out to movies, dancing, golfing, going to local games, etc. Whenever we'd get back, we'd find the guys playing video games, playing in the pool, or napping. Sometimes, all four of them spent the weekend at my place. They didn't have a lot of fad type electronics at their place because Eric thought they were a waste of money and the guys should wait to get jobs and buy themselves that stuff. I understood his values, but before I knew him better I had bought the X-Box and games for them. When they hung at my place, they sometimes brought their bikes and rode around the neighborhood. The older two found that the local high school sport grounds available with games going on that they joined now and then. They were making many new friends. Jamal was more of an indoors guy and spent a lot of time listening to music, watching TV, or jacking to porn. Of course, if they were indoors, they were always lounging around naked. I loved that. Eric and I stayed naked, too. Eric and I openly had sex in front of them and they often joined in to get jacked off or to get a blow job. Jesse, the oldest, was more into women than men, but loved getting sucked off me or his brother Jackie. Jamal was the youngest and apparently was bisexual--equally into guys or gals. Jackie, the middle kid, appeared to be completely gay. Eric didn't care, he loved them all and was more into men himself...which was lucky for me. After a year, we felt our relationship was a sure thing. I'd known him for quite a while before our first sexual encounter, so we felt by then it was time to commit. He bought out the townhome next door and knocked out the wall between to give us two extra bedrooms and more living space. Of course, the playroom was kept and even had improvements made in it. To step back a bit, it's important to know about Eric's past and how he and his sons became the shit lovers that they are. Once night after we'd started dating, Eric told me all about his early life. We'd just finished fucking and he was sucking the shit and cum residue from my hole. I looked down at him and asked, "So how did your taste for raunch evolve?" Then he told his story: "Well, it goes back as far as I when I was a kid. I think maybe there's a gene in my family that determines that some of each generation likes shit. Me and my little brother Stuart, or Stu, moved around a lot because my dad was in the military. Just as soon as we got settled someplace, we moved again. My mom didn't work until daddy died in a helicopter crash when I was twelve and Stu was eleven. After she started working, things got rough for her and we had to stay at random friends' houses after school while she went back and forth to her two jobs. During the summer that followed, we went to stay with my grandpa, my daddy's dad. That allowed mom to work and not worry about us during the day. We were excited to go, it was always fun at my granddaddy's place. We called my granddaddy "Pop". He lived alone in a rural area that was in the middle of the woods. Stu and I had a blast running around all day then coming back in for supper exhausted. Not long after supper, we'd head to our bunk beds that were in the bedroom that my dad and his brother grew up in. It was a small room, had a tiny window, and no air conditioner. The bunk beds were handmade by Pop out of big, heavy, and sturdy boards--it was built to last. It needed to be due to he and I rough housed a lot in that room. We slept in our underwear due to it was often hot at night until the air outside took forever to cool down. One night in particular, Stu farted. We started laughing really hard. I told him to knock it off, and he jumped down and hopped on my face with his underwear pulled down. He farted again right into my nose. I remember instead of getting grossed out, I got hard. The bedroom door was always open but Pop's room was on the other side of the old country home. We kept wrestling and somehow after several minutes of rolling around, Stu's underwear was completely off. He kept trying to fart on me. I tried to retaliate by pulling off my tightie whities and did the same to him. Little by little, the wrestling turned into fondling of dicks and butts. We were both hard. We didn't say much but we sure were enjoying feeling each other's sweaty bodies up. Stu started fingering my hole then sniffed his finger. "Here!" he said sticking out his finger offering me a sniff of my own hole's odor. I bent over and sniffed it. I said, "Mmmm!" Somehow I instinctively knew I liked it right away and wanted more. "Let me smell yer hole." He ordered. I moved forward as he lay back and lifted his spread legs in the air for me to have better access. As I was pressing my nose into his dirty ass crack, I nearly jumped out of our skins when we heard Pop say, "Now get in there son and really smell that hole, you'll love it!" We froze in place out of shock. "Go on now!" he ordered, standing there in the dark in the doorway. Pop seemed old to us but was only in his early fifties. The silhouette of his broad shoulders looked intimidating in the dim moonlight coming in from the window. I didn't even give it a thought, I did as he said and started sniffing. "Now get your nose in there really good. Stu, pull yer butt open more so he can get at it." Stu, still shocked, did exactly as Pop told him. I inched closer and inhaled the wonderful scent, you know, the smell of ass. My nose was eventually touching the warm, moist crinkle. As I pulled my nose away, the scent came with me, the oils of his skin now on my nostrils. Out of nervousness, Stu let out a fart. "Sniff that fart up, don't let it get away!" Pop coached. I inhaled deeply like it was life-saving oxygen. I wasn't questioning why Pop was there any longer nor wondering why in the hell he was telling me to do these things, I was turned on and loving it. Stu just went with the moment, too. "I bet his asshole tastes good, too...try it." Pop said in a low sexy voice. "Lick it!" And so I did! My brother squirmed each time I licked his sweet hole. It was ticklish for him but he wasn't protesting. "Kiss it like you would kiss a girl." Having no idea what that was supposed to mean, I just kissed it like you kiss someone's cheek. "No, son, put'cha mouth on it, suck it, stick yuh tongue in there!" he said in his Southern drawl. I complied and was eating my brother's ass for the first time. I only ate it for about a couple of minutes before my brother stood up on his knees and said, "I wanna try yours!" I happily obliged. My brother and I had looked at each other's dicks before, but had never played sexually until that night. Even crazier, the first time we had decided to explore each other, my granddaddy was verbally taking part of it by getting us to do nasty stuff. In the end, he had Stu sucking me to my first orgasm in which I shot a small watery load. It was the most awesome thing I'd ever felt and I wanted to do it again, but Stu wanted his turn. Stu had what I think was a dry orgasm, but he didn't actually shoot a load until months later when he turned twelve. After an hour or more of us exploring each other's bodies orally with Pop's instructions, we felt tired and he realized it. "You both get to sleep now, but give me those, you won't need those anymore." He was referring to our underwear. We handed them to him. "You both can stay naked if u wanna. You should both try sleepin' together." He walked off sniffing our underwear and shortly after, we drifted off to sleep. The next morning, we woke up naked together giggling. Stu started reaching for my hole and was trying to stick his finger in like Pop asked him to last night. I let his dry finger go inside and then he pulled it out. There was shit all over it. "Yuck!" we said in unison and laughed. Pop heard us up and called for us to come eat breakfast. He'd fixed us some bacon and eggs. We sat naked at the old, worn out table and scarfed our food down. "You guys wanna go fishin' today?" We both yelled yes. So, after we ate, he grabbed some poles, his lure box, and some frozen bait from the fridge. It was thrilling to trek naked down the dirt trail to the creek. His property was remote, so there was no chance of anyone seeing...however, it felt naughty and adventurous to us. Once we got there, he went about the routine of baiting the hooks and finding a place to fish. We didn't catch anything after the first hour had passed and Stu and I got bored. "Why don't you boys go run around and have some fun for awhile." he said. We were glad too. We decided to play hide and seek, and I was "it" first. I covered my eyes while Stu ran and hid. After I counted to thirty, I ran around looking for him. When I was searching for him, I ran past Pop. I was shocked to see a huge pile of shit on a rock a few yards away from him. "Pop, where the dookie come from?" He chucked, "There ain't no toilet out here, son." I looked down at the pile and I was transfixed on its volume, sheen, and beauty. It was a perfect coil that started with a knobby center and as it coiled outward, became smooth. There were random nuggets that had fallen in the middle, too. The smell was rank, but I kept sniffing it. "Check it out if you want to, son." He said. I just stared at it at first. Then, I moved closer until I was a foot away from it. Having gotten bored from me not finding him, Stu came running out of the bushes and stopped in his tracks when he caught me hovering on my knees over a monster pile of shit. "Who did that dookie?" he asked out of breath. "That's Pop's dookie" I said with a nervous laugh. Still fishing and not moving, Pop said, "It's just shit, pick it up." We both laugh and said "uh uh" but after some more cajoling, I picked up the log and it broke in two. Stu picked up the other half. I held mine out to him and he moved up close to sniff. Being my usual mischievous self, I bumped his nose with the shit and then he had a brown smudge on his nose. In retaliation he chased me around the rocks and clearing with his piece of shit and tossed it at me. It landed on my chest and a chunk stuck there. The rest fell down and bumped my dick on its way to the ground. I then realized my dick was pointing straight up! "Yer weenie stickin up!" Stu laughed. Pop was chuckling and shaking his head. I noticed Stu's smaller dick was up also. I ran back and grabbed more shit and he followed. Before you know it we were having a shit fight! I tossed shit back and forth at each other and finally got into a wrestling match, smearing it all over each other, trying to get it in each other's face. Soon it was getting hotter out and flies were all over us. Just then, Pop caught a huge fish. We got distracted by it and watched him reel it in. He told us to help him pack up and we'd head back to the house and clean the fish. Stu and I were laughing at each other's shit covered body. I had a huge chunk in my hair even. As we walked back, it didn't phase us at all to be stinking like shit...we thought it stunk, but it didn't bother us. Some people would have gagged at the smell, we just ignored it. Once we got back behind the house, Pop took turned on the water faucet and picked up the garden hose to wash us off and tossed a rag to me. The cool water felt good in the heat and we started splashing around in it while washing the dried crap off each other. He handed us the hose and told us to finish spraying it all off, he'd be around the corner cleaning the fish. Half an hour later, we were sitting in the kitchen waiting for him to finish frying the fish with some sliced potatoes thrown in. Along with some iced tea, it was a delicious lunch. We didn't even talk about the shit experience we just had. We were two kids just having fun and didn't question what had taken place. After we ate, Stu and I piled on the couch, still naked, and took a nap. Pop went outside to feed tend to his chickens and milled around out in his garden. When I woke up, Stu was fingering my hole again. This time when he pulled out a shit covered finger, we just both looked at it in awe. We never heard Pop walk back in. "Smell good don't it?" he asked. "The dookie stinks!" I said. "Well, if it stank so bad, why you like it?" It was like he asked a trick question. I just shrugged my shoulders. "I bet it taste good." he said. "Ewwwww!" Stu and I yelled. "Chickens! You both ah' chickens!" "Uh uh," I shouted. "I ain't scared!" "So do it, son." With that said, Stu rammed his shit covered finger in my mouth. I grimaced and tried to pull back, expecting it to taste as foul as it smelled, but it didn't. After I knocked Stu away, his finger dragged across my bottom teeth and a chunk got scraped off onto my tongue. I laughed and stuck out my tongue to show everyone. Stu was laughing but moved up really close to see it. "Swirl it around yuh' mouth!" he ordered. I did and it felt like smooth peanut butter, but had an earthy, slightly bitter flavor. "Stick a finger back in yuh' ass and get some more for Stu." Stu had a look on of disbelief on his face, not realizing he'd have to do the same thing. I squatted and stuck my middle finger up my ass by reaching past my dick. I dug around in there and it was packed full of squishy shit. I pulled out my finger and intentionally dug out way more than what Stu had fed me. As I stuck my finger towards his mouth, he backed up. As he bumped into the wall that he forgot was there, I jammed my shitty finger into his mouth. He was taken aback by the chunk that planted in his mouth as I pulled out my finger. To show him up, I took my shitty finger and sucked the rest of it off. That got the best of him and he showed me up by swallowing it all in our duel of "gross out". "That's it! Eat some more." Before Stu tried to stick a finger up my ass again, I protested. "I gotta dookie!" "Stu, grab those newspapers." Pop ordered. Pop laid them in the middle of the living room and told me to go ahead and shit. It felt really good to stand there and just shit instead of having to go to the toilet. I lifted my leg comically and started farting and dumping my teenage sized load onto the newspaper. My shit was mostly soft, but not runny. It didn't stink as bad as Pop's did. "Now you try some, Eric." Without any qualms, I reached down for a grape sized nugget and plopped it in my mouth. I let it squish around my mouth and in my teeth. I opened my mouth for them to see it all mashed up and then swallowed. My dick was hard again. I started rubbing it to simulate the blowjob I got from Stu the night before. In just thirty seconds, I was cumming, more sperm this time than before. My cum shot out onto Stu's' leg as he was sitting on the floor below me. I looked over at Pop and he unzipped his pants and allowed his huge cock to flop out. He reached for his Tea glass, now empty, and began to piss into it. We sat transfixed as his piss filled the glass, stopping just at the top leaving a foamy froth at the top. He took a small sip. "Come over here you two and taste this great piss, you need to rinse that shit out of your mouth." We complied and like it was a normal everyday thing, we took turns passing the huge glass of warm, salty piss back and forth until it was gone. After I was done drinking, I let out a large, long burp. The burp smelled like a fart and Stu moved towards me to inhale it. Before we could even think about what we'd done, Pop interrupted. "My gal friend is coming by later to bring us some dinner and eat with us. You two go get cleaned up!." The two of us ran to the bathroom and took our first shower together. We laughed, giggled, rough housed--the same boy antics as before. We finally got soaped up, rinsed off and dried. We'd gotten so used to running around naked for two days, it was hard to put on clothes again. After Pop yelled at us to get dressed, we did so in a hurry. Later, his girlfriend Maryella came over and brought a huge roast beef with potatoes and carrots--all covered in a juicy gravy...great Southern home cooking. We all had a good time eating together, she was very nice...much younger than Pop. After supper, we got to go watch TV while the two of them sat in the front room talking, holding hands. At some point, we'd fallen asleep on the living room floor and we heard Pop locking up the front door. "She's gone, you guys can get nekkid now." Our clothes were off in a heartbeat. We watched some more TV and then went to bed. We slept in the same twin bed again together, cuddled up tight without any sheet on us. The next morning, we went fishing again. This time he gave us our own small poles to try to catch our own fish. That made it less boring. We actually had fun trying, but didn't catch a thing after a few hours. Pop had taken a huge water bottle for us, but when I asked for something to drink, he asked if I wanted water or piss. Well, you can guess which one I picked. He unzipped his pants and pulled out his fat cock again. He motioned for us to put down our poles and kneel in front of him on the large, flat rocks. As we looked up, a long stream of piss sprang forth from his dick. As it hit the rocks, it splashed all over our legs. He moved the stream toward our faces and began to piss all over us. "Well get your mouth down there." he ordered. I opened my mouth and he aimed his spray straight in. I gurgled and choked but managed to get at least a pint down. Stu moved forward and did his best to drink some. As the stream started to wane, Pop sprayed piss onto our heads, drenching us both. We were laughing and enjoying it all. "Taking that piss has made me need to shit." he said. We got excited and stood up to watch. That day he was wearing old cutoff jeans and an undershirt. He undid the snap and the pants fell to his feet. Once pantless, Pop was an impressive sight. He had nice, strong legs and we saw his balls for the first time. They hung really low and bounced around. As he stepped out of the shorts completely, we got to see his round ass. It was smooth and pale. He moved around and put one foot up on a tree stump to expose his hairy hole. "Y'all get over hear to catch my doodoo...see who can catch the most." All you had to do is challenge me to beat my brother at something, and I fell for it. As soon as we got under his perfect ass, he farted a lot. Next, his hole opened really big and out came a monster turd. Halfway during birth, it stopped...I thought it was stuck. However, Pop was just showing off. He pushed it out inch by inch until part of it broke off. Stu caught it. Next, it inched out faster and faster like a soft serve ice cream machine and the larger, soft part of his dump landed in my hands. It felt hot and steamy, really heavy. "Looks like you won, Eric. And the winner gets to eat first!" That startled me. I had eaten my own the day before, but this seemed different. After being coaxed some more, I gave in and bit off a chunk of the warm, soft part. It was very mild and nutty tasting. It stunk, but tasted good. I ate some more while my brother watched in awe. Pop had a proud look on his face. Stu started eating his but had a rougher time because it was dry and firm. Pop gave him some more piss from the tap to wash it down. Pop was naked, too, by then. He took the remainder of each or our piles that we'd caught and scarfed it down like it was regular food. We were thrilled to watch it. After he at it all, he spent a minute or so licking one of his fingers clean. After that, Pop sat down on the stump and spit on his dick. It was half hard until then, and began to grow really huge in front our amazed faces. He started jacking off with his right hand with really fast motions. His other hand, which still had some shit on it, moved up to his face where he smeared it all over his chin and nose. As soon as he did that, he started cumming. We'd never seen adult cum and were clueless about what it was. After he came, he picked up his fishing gear and we headed back. Stu and I got to carry his clothes. Once we got back and got showered, he took us into the living room and told us to sit still and listen. He realized before that Stu and I had never been told about the birds and the bees. He told us the basics about sex...What the purpose of a dick, pussy, and sperm was for. We sat amazed and didn't talk. That cleared up a lot for me, I'd wondered about how babies were made, etc. Stu was a little confused, but took it all in best he could. Pop told us that nobody else would have fun playing with shit and that it had to be our secret. Told us that sometimes men like to have sex together and that we shouldn't think that it's bad, but we have to be discreet. All of this grown up talk was surprising coming from my granddaddy who never talked about adult things with us before. After that day, I felt more grown up, even at twelve. Thanks to him, I now realized what changes were happening to my body. The summer flew by and we had many more shit adventures. It rained a great deal near the end of our stay, so we didn't get to do a lot outside, but had fun whenever there were breaks in the storms. We learned to clean our own fish, learned about gardening, and many more things...so we did more than have sex. We were sad to go at the end of the summer. The whole summer during our sexual adventures, Pop never touched us physically and we never got to feel up his body. The sex was strictly between my brother and I except for the shit or piss offered to us from Pop. After we left there, the three of us had to go live with my mom's sister's family. Stu and I didn't have our own room and never had privacy. Our cousin Freddy was a boring wuss. The whole family was very religious, so we never even tried to get away with anything sexual there. Occasionally, we ran off to a field nearby and jacked off in the bushes or ate each other's shit, but it was hard to do because most of the time Freddy had to tag along. During our three years living there, mom had worked hard and saved money to go to a secretarial school. She graduated with excellent skills and found a great job eventually that allowed us to move into our own apartment. By then, she also had met a man and eventually they got married. He was a kind man, but we were never close to him. He worked out of the apartment a lot and always seemed to be around when Stu and I thought we could sneak in a session. So, our escapades had to occur late at night and we had to be careful and quiet, for the walls were paper thin. As we entered high junior high school, Stu became girl crazy. He all but nearly forgot about me as a sexual partner except for when he was horned up over a girl and wanted me to suck him off. He'd look at a Hustler or a Playboy magazine that he'd bought when I sucked him. He returned the favor for me now and then, reluctantly, but when he did, I thought only about him. I think he began to feel guilty about the scat experiences and eventually stopped them completely. When I tried to initiate something he would say, `Not now, not in the mood.' Later, all sex between us stopped as we entered high school. I have been attracted to women, but I've always like men the most. So, I did date in high school and had a few sexual experiences that were nice. However, I was tortured in the P.E. locker room by having to watch all my hot buddies undress and shower and I wanted them badly. They always smelled so good right before they showered. Just after my senior year, I met the boy's mom and we were soon married. I was happy then and thought I was in love. Their mama was a wild gal, though. I think she married me mainly to get out of her parents house. Later, after all three boys had been born, things fell apart. She wasn't an attentive mother. I often did the diapers, the cleanup, etc. She sat around and watched TV, chatted on the phone with her bitches. I was working all day and I'd come home to find the place a mess still. She didn't feed the boys on time. I didn't expect her to be a stereotypical housewife, but she didn't do her share of anything. But getting back to the boys, they introduced themselves to shit without any help from me. One day, I was napping after work and was awoken by yelling. They guys were about 3, 4, and 5 years old. Jamal had the worse time with his toilet training and would seem to be forever in diapers. I heard the yelling and got up to see what was wrong. Apparently, she'd found the boy in the bathroom trying to help Jamal with his diaper. They were all covered in his shit in their efforts. She was screaming at them to get in the tub. She was making them all cry acting like a fool, so I yelled at her and told her to get the fuck out of the bathroom and I'd take care of it. I very calmly had the two oldest ones stand in the tub and I turned the shower on. I had Jamal sit on his training toilet and he minded me perfectly. I took a washcloth and scrubbed up Jackie and Jesse. They didn't realize what they had done wrong. I noticed too that they weren't bothered by the shit at all. They didn't remark about it being nasty or stinking. After they jumped out of the shower and I toweled them off, I told them to go find their mom and have her help them get dressed. They ran out and closed the door behind. I picked up Jamal--he was still traumatized, but quiet, and I placed him in the tub. As I sat him down, my hand slid into his shitty ass. As I turned on the water, I couldn't help myself and I licked my fingers clean. I started to get hard instantly and had to keep myself from jacking off right there. I managed to get him rinsed off under the tub faucet and rinsed him good. I picked him up and took him to the boys' room and dressed him. The others were sitting on their bed naked. "Why are you guys naked?" "Mama ain't here." Jesse said. I put them to bed naked, in exhaustion, and fell asleep in the chair next to their bed. The next morning, they were up and running around naked like it was normal. It seemed so natural and cute, I didn't make them put on clothes. It turns out the shit scene was the last straw for her...she couldn't take being a mother and that last incident drove her over the edge. I didn't hear from her for a few weeks, but I found out she was at one of her gal pal's places. After that, she never came back. The boys had to stay with a neighbor lady during the day while I worked and went to an electronics school in the late afternoon or evening. I had to work weekends, too, but managed to find as much time as possible with my sons. At home after my work, they'd take their bath together with me supervising. Afterwards, it was a struggle to get them dressed...if I did, they got naked again. After that incident with their mother, they had enjoyed running around naked and it became a regular thing. I told them that then can't be naked at their friends' houses and they couldn't tell anyone about it, it was private, but if they really wanted to I'd let them run around naked at home. They understood. I worried about Jamal blabbing to a friend after he turned 4, but they were all very discreet. Thereafter, they were never shy about taking a shit or piss in the bathroom. No one ever closed the bathroom door to do either task. They were still a handful. When they took a shower or bath together, one of them always tried to piss on the other. One time, Jackie pissed in the tub and accidentally pooped at the same time when I stepped out for a second. There was a lot of laughing going on when I found them. Instead of freaking out, they were passing the turd around! I had to give them talk telling them that I wasn't mad, but other people didn't believe in playing with their shit...just like others didn't believe in running around naked. They took it seriously and remained discreet, but a similar scenario happened a few times later, but I know every other time someone shit on purpose. Eventually, I did catch the three of them messing around sexually. One day they must have thought I was still sleeping one Sunday afternoon. I got up quietly and walked into their room. They hadn't closed the door all the way. Jesse was on his stomach and Jackie was on top of him and was dry humping Jesse's ass. "I wanna play the husband next," Jesse complained. Jackie got up and rolled over onto his belly while Jesse got on top of him. Jamal was just gawking. "What's up guys?" I said. Instead of lying and acting embarrassed, they all started laughing. Jesse came over and sat on my lap after I sat on the bed. "We're playing husband and wife, daddy." I asked where they learned that game. It turned out one of their friends' older brother was fucking his girlfriend in a backroom and the boys all sneaked in and watched. They were mimicking what they saw. I sat them down and told them about sex and the facts of life. I told them about masturbation, etc. They asked a lot of questions including was it ok for them to play together instead of with girls. I told them about some men being gay or bisexual. I didn't want them to be so ignorant like me and my brother were about sex in general. I had a sneaking suspicion that before my talk with them, there was some night time shenanigans going on anyway with Jesse and Jackie, but I didn't want to embarrass them. After that, I didn't hide my nudity from them either. After a shower, I'd take my time drying off and if they came around, I didn't cover up. They grew up having a good attitude about the naked body and I think it made them more confident about themselves. I told them if anything, we were a "nudist family, something that was actually common around the world but not necessarily accepted by everyday folks. Instead of sneaking around, they played around in the open after that. It usually started from rough playing, wrestling around, then one of them would get hard and start playing with it. After Jesse came for the first time two years ago, they followed right behind him. They experimented with sucking each other, followed by eating ass. Soon later, we got a computer and the internet. I supervised what they looked at online, but eventually they always found sexual stuff. I tried to allow them to satisfy their curiosity and make sure they didn't communicate with any online predators. Later on, Jackie asked me more and more about sex with guys, while we were talking about it, he asked if he could play with my dick and balls. Well, after that, the other guy's joined in and they learned about kissing, foreplay, and eventually fucking. Jackie openly looked at scat porn online and eventually he found your profile. As we looked at your photos and your nasty videos, we realized they guy we were watching was you, my weekly gym bud. I'd had the hots for you since we met, so it was their plan to ease you into our family scene, but things happened faster then I imagined." So that was Eric's story...that and what had led us all up to the point of becoming a family has been told...Next time more about our nasty scenes. To be continued.